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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=010ada4de99c2d2e079e78210f523376&#38;size=48&#38;default=http://www.thoughtcounts.net/wp-content/plugins/wp-identicon/identicon/82405bb1102c423.png" alt="LL Identicon Icon" height="48" width="48" /> LL</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 11:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a pleasure to see someone asking people to think about this sort of thing. So much atheist internet stuff seems to be of the &quot;I hate Christianity!&quot; variety - never getting past juvenile name calling (cue cries of &quot;you&#039;re delusional&quot;, &quot;imaginary friend&quot;, and mentions of the FSM, unicorns, tooth fairies and the usually misspelled Santa &quot;Clause&quot;). It&#039;s not likely to make anyone think deeply, let alone sway anyone toward atheism. It&#039;s just offensive - and I speak as a non-religious person. I&#039;m not Christian and never have been; I&#039;ve no fondness for organised religion, especially the Abrahamic ones. (Faith and spirituality aren&#039;t the same as religion, something that seems to be forgotten often enough.) 

You&#039;re quite right to point out that the Christian/atheist dichotomy is false; I&#039;m pretty sure it&#039;s the predominance of US net users that sways the squabble that way. I would think it also influences the image of Christianity as heavily fundamentalist, simply because of the noise fundies make in the US. They are hardly representative even there (I&#039;m in Australia and football is probably the biggest religion here, lol). 

All one ends up with is mirror-images: it looks like fundamentalist Christians versus equally fundamentalist (as in closed-minded) anti-theists insulting each other. Not a recommendation for either side. And as for things like PZ Myers and his desire to be blasphemous - hello, this is the quality of behaviour coming from the kind of people who call themselves &quot;brights&quot;? Spare us the stupid ones, then! 

Hmm, I&#039;ve gone on a bit of a tangent here ... but thank you for posting this blog, I think it was well-considered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a pleasure to see someone asking people to think about this sort of thing. So much atheist internet stuff seems to be of the &#8220;I hate Christianity!&#8221; variety &#8211; never getting past juvenile name calling (cue cries of &#8220;you&#8217;re delusional&#8221;, &#8220;imaginary friend&#8221;, and mentions of the FSM, unicorns, tooth fairies and the usually misspelled Santa &#8220;Clause&#8221;). It&#8217;s not likely to make anyone think deeply, let alone sway anyone toward atheism. It&#8217;s just offensive &#8211; and I speak as a non-religious person. I&#8217;m not Christian and never have been; I&#8217;ve no fondness for organised religion, especially the Abrahamic ones. (Faith and spirituality aren&#8217;t the same as religion, something that seems to be forgotten often enough.) </p>
<p>You&#8217;re quite right to point out that the Christian/atheist dichotomy is false; I&#8217;m pretty sure it&#8217;s the predominance of US net users that sways the squabble that way. I would think it also influences the image of Christianity as heavily fundamentalist, simply because of the noise fundies make in the US. They are hardly representative even there (I&#8217;m in Australia and football is probably the biggest religion here, lol). </p>
<p>All one ends up with is mirror-images: it looks like fundamentalist Christians versus equally fundamentalist (as in closed-minded) anti-theists insulting each other. Not a recommendation for either side. And as for things like PZ Myers and his desire to be blasphemous &#8211; hello, this is the quality of behaviour coming from the kind of people who call themselves &#8220;brights&#8221;? Spare us the stupid ones, then! </p>
<p>Hmm, I&#8217;ve gone on a bit of a tangent here &#8230; but thank you for posting this blog, I think it was well-considered.</p>
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		<title>By: It&#8217;s the Thought that Counts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Choosing between God and Satan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Him and the threat of eternal damnation we&#8217;d all be terrible people. (Weren&#8217;t we just talking about that?) Someone pointed out, as evidence that atheists hate doing good, the fact that some atheists had [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Him and the threat of eternal damnation we&#8217;d all be terrible people. (Weren&#8217;t we just talking about that?) Someone pointed out, as evidence that atheists hate doing good, the fact that some atheists had [...]</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=8572ca0c7489aa87b9e3e0092a9a6b87&#38;size=48&#38;default=http://www.thoughtcounts.net/wp-content/plugins/wp-identicon/identicon/bfccdb62ed3a627.png" alt="Z Identicon Icon" height="48" width="48" /> Z</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks a lot, Mike. I agree, there&#039;s a lot of common ground to be shared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot, Mike. I agree, there&#8217;s a lot of common ground to be shared.</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=f70a488e71be5b0aeff12acd62222006&#38;size=48&#38;default=http://www.thoughtcounts.net/wp-content/plugins/wp-identicon/identicon/0dfaa63992d9819.png" alt="Mike at The Big Stick Identicon Icon" height="48" width="48" /> Mike at The Big Stick</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting that I am usually much more successful with my Lenten sacrifice than with my New Year&#039;s resolutions. And I&#039;m not a particularly devout person...so it&#039;s not like I feel I will be struck by lighting if I drink a Diet Coke....  maybe because I know it&#039;s only for 40 days?

Anyway, great post. There&#039;s a lot of &#039;christian&#039; concepts that I see no reason why atheists can&#039;t accept and still be true to their non-beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that I am usually much more successful with my Lenten sacrifice than with my New Year&#8217;s resolutions. And I&#8217;m not a particularly devout person&#8230;so it&#8217;s not like I feel I will be struck by lighting if I drink a Diet Coke&#8230;.  maybe because I know it&#8217;s only for 40 days?</p>
<p>Anyway, great post. There&#8217;s a lot of &#8216;christian&#8217; concepts that I see no reason why atheists can&#8217;t accept and still be true to their non-beliefs.</p>
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