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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;perks&quot; loophole problem applies just as much to a salary cap, and really those perks are just as taxable as salary, though it&#039;s harder to enforce.

Your other complaints I don&#039;t really buy.  Yeah, it&#039;d be better if your tax bracket was determined by a rolling average of the last five years or something like that, but for simplicity we don&#039;t do it.  Small businesses don&#039;t have profits that oscillate by millions of dollars year to year.  (Those with oscillations that big aren&#039;t small by any normal definition.)

Also, how on earth would this hurt the middle class?  Sure, they can&#039;t hire the expensive accountant to minimize what they pay perfectly, but it doesn&#039;t matter because the tax doesn&#039;t apply to them.

Do you support progressive taxation in general?

Sales taxes are not nearly as great as you think, but it&#039;s too complicated an issue to get into here.  Maybe I&#039;ll write a post on it soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;perks&#8221; loophole problem applies just as much to a salary cap, and really those perks are just as taxable as salary, though it&#8217;s harder to enforce.</p>
<p>Your other complaints I don&#8217;t really buy.  Yeah, it&#8217;d be better if your tax bracket was determined by a rolling average of the last five years or something like that, but for simplicity we don&#8217;t do it.  Small businesses don&#8217;t have profits that oscillate by millions of dollars year to year.  (Those with oscillations that big aren&#8217;t small by any normal definition.)</p>
<p>Also, how on earth would this hurt the middle class?  Sure, they can&#8217;t hire the expensive accountant to minimize what they pay perfectly, but it doesn&#8217;t matter because the tax doesn&#8217;t apply to them.</p>
<p>Do you support progressive taxation in general?</p>
<p>Sales taxes are not nearly as great as you think, but it&#8217;s too complicated an issue to get into here.  Maybe I&#8217;ll write a post on it soon.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an interesting solution, but is it a fair one?

What I think would happen if this were implemented:
- The salaries &amp; bonuses this is meant to address will simply be converted to perks of some kind that are not taxable.

- The tax laws would not be able to discriminate between the bloated salary of a wall street executive and the small business owner who does well one year out of five.
- The middle class will again take the hit when they do not have the resources to &quot;work the system&quot; and take advantage of the loopholes. 

I fail to see the fairness in forcing someone to bear more of the burden simply because they can (assuming all who qualify can). Regarding salary caps, I agree completely with your points and it is certainly not the government&#039;s business to dictate salaries except where&lt;i&gt; the company is using government funds to pay them&lt;/i&gt;. However, the TARP money is not &quot;normal business&quot;, so I hope that rules in place for it do not set precedents.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Of course, if all those salaries were capped, social expectations would change, and this isn’t the real problem.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t think I agree with you here. I think that culture is the problem. I cannot fathom why top execs of &lt;i&gt;failing&lt;/i&gt; companies are paid bonuses for their failures; every company that I worked for in my past career (I&#039;m in academics now) only gave bonuses for success. Yet now it seems to be expected as part of their base salary rather than performance-based and anyone who knowingly invests in a company with these policies accepts them.

I think there is a fair way to distribute the tax burden that ensures that virtually nobody &quot;feels the pain&quot; disproportionately: sales tax.

Similar to the &quot;luxury tax&quot;, the more expensive an item, the higher the percentage of sales tax. Currently, we have no federal sales tax, so this is an untapped resource.

What about a flat &quot;fee&quot; on items over a specific dollar amount, say $1K? They could exclude cars &amp; homes &amp; perhaps a few other things. Even a 5$ per item &quot;surcharge&quot; would generate quite a bit of income.

The added bonus of taxing higher priced items is that the additional cost would be negligible. 

Just some thoughts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an interesting solution, but is it a fair one?</p>
<p>What I think would happen if this were implemented:<br />
- The salaries &amp; bonuses this is meant to address will simply be converted to perks of some kind that are not taxable.</p>
<p>- The tax laws would not be able to discriminate between the bloated salary of a wall street executive and the small business owner who does well one year out of five.<br />
- The middle class will again take the hit when they do not have the resources to &#8220;work the system&#8221; and take advantage of the loopholes. </p>
<p>I fail to see the fairness in forcing someone to bear more of the burden simply because they can (assuming all who qualify can). Regarding salary caps, I agree completely with your points and it is certainly not the government&#8217;s business to dictate salaries except where<i> the company is using government funds to pay them</i>. However, the TARP money is not &#8220;normal business&#8221;, so I hope that rules in place for it do not set precedents.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Of course, if all those salaries were capped, social expectations would change, and this isn’t the real problem.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I agree with you here. I think that culture is the problem. I cannot fathom why top execs of <i>failing</i> companies are paid bonuses for their failures; every company that I worked for in my past career (I&#8217;m in academics now) only gave bonuses for success. Yet now it seems to be expected as part of their base salary rather than performance-based and anyone who knowingly invests in a company with these policies accepts them.</p>
<p>I think there is a fair way to distribute the tax burden that ensures that virtually nobody &#8220;feels the pain&#8221; disproportionately: sales tax.</p>
<p>Similar to the &#8220;luxury tax&#8221;, the more expensive an item, the higher the percentage of sales tax. Currently, we have no federal sales tax, so this is an untapped resource.</p>
<p>What about a flat &#8220;fee&#8221; on items over a specific dollar amount, say $1K? They could exclude cars &amp; homes &amp; perhaps a few other things. Even a 5$ per item &#8220;surcharge&#8221; would generate quite a bit of income.</p>
<p>The added bonus of taxing higher priced items is that the additional cost would be negligible. </p>
<p>Just some thoughts&#8230;</p>
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